HOPE not hate


UKIP Mistake Cathedral For Mosque

posted by: Simon Cressy | on: Wednesday, 26 November 2014, 20:16

South Thanet UKIP branch have been left with egg on their face after making a huge mistake on the social network Twitter.

The BBC politics programme Daily Politics made a posting on their own Twitter feed that was attempting to demonstrate whether Nigel Farage had what it takes to become Prime Minister.

The BBC reporter Giles Dilnot posted a photo of two boxes, one labelled "Yes" and the other "No" and asked locals to take part in a simple opinion poll by posting a coloured ball in the appropriate box, with the results being revealed on the programme today.

South Thanet UKIP, the same area in Kent where Nigel Farage is aiming to become an MP in the general election next year to exception to the photograph posting a reply that said " Perfect place to hold vote in front of a mosque in London. The BBC's random means selective"

The BBC reporter attempted to explain that they might be wrong about their facts writing "You are SO wrong you might be embarrassed by that"

South Thanet UKIP asked Dilnot for the location and the BBC journalist was only too happy to oblige, informing the red faced Kippers that the photo was actually taken outside Westminster Cathedral !!

 Posted: 26 Nov 2014 | There are 35 comments


Comment 1 | From: Chaz | Date: 26 November 2014, 20:50

Not the first time these small-minded racists have mistaken a church or synagogue for a mosque. They continue to display their dearth of intellect every time they tweet. Only a fool would vote for them.

Comment 2 | From: Brian Donbavand | Date: 26 November 2014, 21:23

When are people going to wake up to what ukip really are.

Comment 3 | From: Paul Black | Date: 26 November 2014, 22:01

People know exactly what UKIP are, and they like that. They want someone to stand up and say it's "okay to think like this". The world and all it's nuance and complexity is baffling, and people want easy answers, and Farage's mob is more than happy to supply great big fat easy answers, and crucially, let people know it's not their fault, and all their lazy prejudices and comforting false ideas are right and true and just.

Comment 4 | From: A Joseph Black | Date: 26 November 2014, 22:04

The real danger lies when they get clampets like the Tweeter under control and it becomes harder to see their true face.

Comment 5 | From: Tom | Date: 26 November 2014, 22:14

pretty sure that's not Westminster, that's the church outside Victoria station, no?

Comment 6 | From: Colin Hoskins | Date: 26 November 2014, 22:22

Any sensible person would just see a place of worship. Mosque, cathedral, what's the difference? By making it an issue they once again show their true colours.

Comment 7 | From: Matt Trott | Date: 26 November 2014, 22:24

They obviously weren't invited to Mark Reckless' wedding at ....... Westminster Cathedral! http://markreckless.com/2011/10/03/mr-and-mrs-reckless/

Comment 8 | From: Peter Coleman | Date: 26 November 2014, 23:11

To be fair they can spot a public house from a mile away.

Comment 9 | From: Anti-Kipper | Date: 27 November 2014, 03:07

Yes, but it's a CATHOLIC cathedral. Not a proper one. So that makes it a mosque, innit?

Comment 10 | From: Kay | Date: 27 November 2014, 03:15

Britain First were right all along. They're exactly like one another. Thick. Not to mention ignorant.

Comment 11 | From: George Alle n | Date: 27 November 2014, 04:30

There just British teabaggers.

Comment 12 | From: Gary Carp | Date: 27 November 2014, 06:03

obviously a howler..but then don't all parties make them? However, it is self defeating and binary to accuse UKIP of racism. All parties have members with unattractive personal views...should we hold Labour to account for the pro-paedophilia stance of some of its leading figures? The reality is simple. We are witnessing a realignment in UK politics. The embourgeoisiement of Labour has sold put its natural constituency; the pro-European elements of the Conservatives seem to think, bizarrely, that pan European socialism is the answer. The cosy consensus that has scotched debate for 40 years is under attack. And, increasingly, voters are not buying it. At a recent Electoral Reform Society dinner, having been accused of being a racist for wanting a moderated immigration policy like Australia, I asked my accuser whether they, as a matter of policy, leave the front door of their home unlocked? "Don't be ridiculous, anyone could walk in" came the retort. Quite so.

Comment 13 | From: The Hen | Date: 27 November 2014, 06:23

Dimwits. How stupid do you have to be to qualify for UKIP membership? Personally I vote for the #UKCATNIP party. We don't discriminate against immigrants like Siamese and Burmese cats and we offer free Dreamies for all.

Comment 14 | From: Tina St George | Date: 27 November 2014, 08:27

As someone who lives in Thanet South I want to warn the sisters of Minster Abbey to be prepared for the Ukippers to think they are Muslim women because of their dress. I'm not a Catholic or Ukipper but I can recognise Westminster Catherdral.

Comment 15 | From: amias | Date: 27 November 2014, 08:46

Most of the electorate are so stupid they won't notice , the others are too lazy or conceited to vote , that's how we are going out .

Comment 16 | From: Edward Davies | Date: 27 November 2014, 09:02

The British ppl would be pretty stupid to vote for these xenophobic loonies

Comment 17 | From: Martin | Date: 27 November 2014, 09:26

Spoken like a true UKIP bigot, Gary Crap! Your defensive stance (oh, what about Labour, the Conservatives and the Lib Dems etc) gives you away. It doesn't wash, and it makes you look pathetic.

Comment 18 | From: Teresa | Date: 27 November 2014, 09:40

HELLO! IS EVERYONE MISSING THE MAIN POINT? What scares me, not that UKIP mistook a church for a mosque. What UKIP could be bigots? Who knew? It's the fact that the BBC are asking the public if a man, who isn't even an MP, has what it takes to be Prime Minister. That to me is scary and sinister. Will the media stop giving this man and his party a platform. The Greens have more MPs and a track record, whether you agree with their policies or not. However they are totally ignored. They're giving a tiny right wing party too much attention, even though they are unpopular. I find this very uneasy and deeply disturbing.

Comment 19 | From: Lorraine | Date: 27 November 2014, 09:57

Hope Not Hate claims to be an advocacy group trying to move away from encouraging "hate speech". Yet there seems to be little else on their facebook posts! Especially this one. I would say this is quite an easy mistake to make considering a number of Churches have been converted to Mosques. And while UKIP hasn't anything against peaceful Muslims wishing to live according to British Law, Hope not Hate, which seems not what it claims to be, is stoking up existing hostility, fuelling division.

Comment 20 | From: Paul M | Date: 27 November 2014, 10:06

The genius thing about UKIP: they love that the BBC has given them massively more screentime than is justifiable. But they scream "conspiracy!" the minute the BBC outputs anything not pro-UKIP. I'm not saying they're a party of small-minded hypocrites. Oh wait... I am.

Comment 21 | From: Jo | Date: 27 November 2014, 10:10

Oh dear Tom, that 'church outside Victoria station'? AKA Westminster Cathedral. You never noticed all the nuns and Catholic book shops?

Comment 22 | From: Angels Razor | Date: 27 November 2014, 10:21

Wow... There seems to be a lot of bigoted, hatred towards those people wow support UKIP. I support UKIP, so I guess you must all judge me to be a racist xenophobe, or perhaps you must think I'm a poorly educated white working class male who is stupid enough to swallow UKIP's rhetoric.

Comment 23 | From: somethingbrite | Date: 27 November 2014, 10:36

Gary Carp. Where to begin? Lets start with "should we hold Labour to account for the pro paedophilia stance of some of its leading figures?" Yes! Absolutely. But please, if you are going to make such an accusation you must at the very least provide verifiable evidence of such. "In my opinion..." or "Everybody knows.." or "I heard in the pub..." are simply not good enough when making such an allegation. Indeed, neither is "leading figures" You need to give names, provide verifiable quotes or other reliable evidence. Let me provide an example. Ex-Chairman of UKIP in Bury UK, Peter Entwistle has been sentenced to jail after pleasing guilty to 21 counts, including child grooming and possession of child pornography. https://cyberboris.wordpress.com/2014/11/26/ukip-attack-other-parties-over-child-abuse-but-ex-bury-ukip-councillor-jailed-for-grooming-kids/ http://www.independent.co.uk/news/uk/crime/former-ukip-regional-chairman-peter-entwistle-jailed-for-grooming-children-9883013.html You see what I did there Gary Carp? I was precise in my statement and have provided more than one verifiable source to support that statement.

Comment 24 | From: Albert | Date: 27 November 2014, 11:05

I wonder if Giles dilnot would consider doing a poll asking people if Westminster Catholic Cathedral looks like a mosque, I suggest he would run out of blue balls in seconds . Even Westminster Cathedrals web page suggests it does.

Comment 25 | From: Jane Ennis | Date: 27 November 2014, 11:13

Sorry, just realised someone has pre-empted my comment - yes, it's the ' church outside Victoria station' - AKA - er - Westminster Cathedral.

Comment 26 | From: jpw | Date: 27 November 2014, 12:01

@paul black and Theresa... Bang on both comments. Every one gets all angry and feels they should take a stand against ukip.. Slinging mug at them and visa versa.. The real reason people are supporting UKip is not that they are racist or bigots (although some are) but generally due to the lies we receive year on year and distrust we have in any political party.. We feel let down by rich pompous criminals in power and some people are latching on to the loud and seemingly better voices coming from ukip... But warned ukippers these are not the politicians you are looking for. !!

Comment 27 | From: Steven Pape | Date: 27 November 2014, 12:22

Angels Razor said, " you must think I'm a poorly educated white working class male who is stupid enough to swallow UKIP's rhetoric. No. Not any more than I think the guy who is a member of Mensa who stood at a nearby Coulcil election is unintelligent. But I fundamentally disagree with you, There are some accusations of bigotry on these replies, sure, but if you step back and look at the big picture, this goes back to the tweet by South Thanet UKIP accusng the BBC of being selective. They got it wrong. I see no apology from UKIP. If they showed a little less arrogance and a bit more humility on this then they would be worth debating with. South Thanet UKIP (see how I am being specific here and not attacking UKIP in general) made the mistake of officially posting on a public forum, Twitter, without first checking their facts. For that they deserve ridicule in a public place. Satirising politicians and parties of all colours is the British way of doing things. Suck it up. And to national UKIP: One of your branches has made a mistake in your name. Apology please.

Comment 28 | From: Jason Evans | Date: 27 November 2014, 13:05

Im sorry but to the uneducated this indeed does look like a mosque, its about time we got all these stupid religions out of our CoE Country.

Comment 29 | From: James | Date: 27 November 2014, 13:30

So what? A silly mistake. Won't stop the rise of UKIP. What's wrong with wanting an immigration points system already used by many many countries? Are Australia and USA racist too?

Comment 30 | From: Ed Foster | Date: 27 November 2014, 13:52

I am proud to live in South Thanet! Does that mean I'm a UKIP supporter? No; of course it doesn't. Does it enable me to express my own anti-UKIP opinions if I want to? Yes; of course it does - that's why we live in a democracy. And that, really, is the point here: UKIP are a political party, founded and run under our democratic electoral system, who can set their own policies and promote their own politicians, so long as it does not amount to harrassment, abuse or discrimination; that's their democratic right. It is also the democratic right of every UKIP supporter to cast a vote in UKIP's favour - and the right of every non-UKIP supporter to vote another way. Are you bothered by UKIP? If so, just ignore them and vote for one of the other parties. The best publicity for UKIP is if people start talking about them and creating controversy. If you don't want Farage in power, vote in the democratic way and he'll quietly disappear into the political abyss. Simple.

Comment 31 | From: David | Date: 27 November 2014, 18:52

To everyone who supports UKIP; consider this. At the last local election a UKIP campaigner came to my door. I told them that I would give them five minutes of my time in which she could explain their policies but warned I would shut the door if they mentioned either the European Union or immigration once. She stood there for twenty seconds saying "ummm" a lot and then turned and walked away. Regardless of your feelings on immigration and the European Union you have to accept that there is more to running a country and as such you can't take seriously any party that doesn't give sufficient consideration to anything else to the point that a campaigner for them can't even tell you what their policies are.

Comment 32 | From: Sorti | Date: 27 November 2014, 21:55

@Lorraine 09:57 You're right. When I think about UKIP I do feel hatred. Note to self: Must try and convert that hatred into hope. I'm not sure how to conjure up hope when presented with a political party who's ONLY policy is I Wish It Was 1954. Everytime, throughout the history of Britain and EVERY OTHER country in the world, things have got dire economically then immigration has been targeted as the main cause for woes.How many battles does the human race have to fight on Cable Street before we finally realize that anyone making political capital out of immigration is pursuing a self-serving agenda who's only purpose is to give that individual power and money? It's fantastic living in a country which people from all over the planet want to experience. To live in a place that people dream about living in. Drawn from childhood by the music, the culture, the literature, the language, the freedom to say what you want. An island who's whole existence has been defined by being a meeting place for all nations. Even a brief, potted look at history shows that feeding on and subsuming other cultures is our island lifeblood. The thing that keeps us vibrantly moving forward. And UKIP want to deny us that. Want us to look backwards, into an idealized never existed past, and inwards. To close our minds, to ignore what's made us Us. How will I ever find it in my heart to love a Kipper? Maybe if she was single, loved cats and books. And smoked. And we never talked about politics.

Comment 33 | From: Simon | Date: 28 November 2014, 08:17

Lorraine...some churches have indeed been converted into mosques, but this is Westminster Cathedral, one of the most important and recognizable Catholic churches in the entire country.

Comment 34 | From: Chrysoprase | Date: 29 November 2014, 14:08

Westminster Cathedral was designed by John Francis Bentley over a century ago. He was a leading architect of his day and a gifted designer of gothic churches. (See his Holy Rood Church, Watford - gothic.) But the Catholics didn't want their cathedral to be confused with the mediaeval Westminster Abbey, down the road near the Palace of Westminster. So it couldn't be a gothic structure. Bentley set about designing a neo-Byzantine cathedral - a pre-gothic style of church architecture, which he carefully researched on a tour of ancient Mediterranean churches. Cardinal Vaughan was happy to approve his subsequent designs. So it's not Islamic architecture. It's Edwardian Christian neo-Byzantine. It was built with twelve and a half million bricks. It is a London landmark.

Comment 35 | From: clive english | Date: 29 November 2014, 16:01

Its the other way around. Westminster Cathedral is a Neo Byzantine design. Ottaman Mosques were largely based on Byzantine designs, so mosques often look like Byantine Churches. Oh and was that daft comment on getting rid of non C of E religions a joke, i think it was but am not sure. If not as a Methodist (a religion invented in the Uk by the way) i feel rather offended . It should also be pointed out that England was a Catholic country long before the C of E existed.

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